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- From: "Alexander Bagatur'yants" <sasha@photonics.ru>
- To: <forum@abinit.org>
- Subject: RE: [abinit-forum] Polar slabs and geometry optimization
- Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 15:37:53 +0400
- Organization: Photochemistry Center
Dear Prof. Finocchi,
I am very interested in receiving the text of your article F. Finocchi, F.
Bottin and C. Noguera, "Computer simulations of polar oxide surfaces"
published in Computational Materials Science, edited by C.R.A. Catlow and E.
Kotomin (NATO-ASI Series E, IOS Press, 2003), pages 196-217. Of course, an
electronic form (pdf) would be much preferable.
Many thanks in advance for your kind cooperation,
Best regards
Prof. Alexander Bagatur'yants
Photochemistry Center, Russian Academy of Sciences
ul. Novatorov 7a, Moscow, 119421 Russia
Phone: (007-095)-936-2588
Fax: (007-095)-936-1255
E-mail: sasha@photonics.ru
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fabio Finocchi [mailto:finocchi@gps.jussieu.fr]
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 9:12 PM
> To: forum@abinit.org
> Subject: Re: [abinit-forum] Polar slabs and geometry optimization
>
> Dear Conor,
> I read your email just now (!!!!). I hope you succeded in managing polar
> slabs...
> In any case, there are few hints below.
> I have some experience in dealing with polar slabs. See, e.g. Bottin et
> al, PRB 68 (2003) 035418, and references therein. I can also give
> you, on request, the text of an article that recently appeared in the
> proceedings of a NATO-ASI school [F.Finocchi, F. Bottin and C.
> Noguera, "Computer simulations of polar oxide surfaces", in Computational
> Materials Science, edited by C.R.A. Catlow and E. Kotomin
> (NATO-ASI Series E, IOS Press, 2003), pages 196-217], where a detailed
> analysis of the numerical problem is carried out.
> First of all, the physics: if your slab does not fulfill the electron
> counting rule, it is likely metallic (but not necessarily, since some
> symmetry can be broken, which may open a small gap around EFermi).
> Therefore, I would suggest you to use some smearing of the Fermi surface,
> eventually using different values for tsmear (two are generally enough to
> extract the T=0 total energy). Also, start a test calculation from
> a slightly perturbed configuration with a low symmetry.
> Second, the Broyden method is not very stable and can diverge whenever the
> electronic structure is very sensitive to atomic relaxations. A
> quasi-continuum damped dynamics (ionmov=7, with equal atomic masses amu~4,
> vis~10, and dtion~50) is better suited when atomic forces are
> less than, let's say, some mHa/bohr.
> Third, we have a home-made version of the code in which a compensating
> dipole in the vacuum region is used. However, due to the lack of
> human time, nobody included it in a abinit version so far, to my
> knowledge.
> Nevertheless, some quantities, such as the total energy, are not extremely
> sensitive to the use of a compensating dipole, provided that a
> reasonable vacuum region is added in the supercell. This is because the
> electrostatic potential is mostly biased in the slab outer regions,
> where the electron density is small.
> Others, like the work function, do actually depend on the use of a dipole.
>
> Buona fortuna,
> Fabio
>
> cdhogan@roma2.infn.it a écrit :
>
> > Dear Abinites,
> >
> > Apologies in advance for the long post: this will perhaps concern
> people with
> > experience in using slab geometries or with the internal workings of the
> > code.
> >
> > I'm trying to optimize the geometry of a polar slab: GaAs(001) [back
> surface
> > passivated by pseudohydrogens, Z=1.25], and I'm quickly running out of
> > options, as the calculation refuses to converge, at least with the
> Broyden
> > scheme.
> > The slab is ~11 layers thick, and I've tried
> > 7 and 11 layers of vacuum (the latter =15 Angs!). I'm using geometries
> > converged with another code to start, and the same pseudopotentials
> > (Hamann type from FHI code).
> > For odd reasons, Im using Abinit 4.0.3, compiled with IFCv7.1, on a Dell
> Xeon.
> >
> > Typical input parameters I've tried are:
> > ionmov 3 or 2
> > iscf 5 or 3
> > diemac 12 or 8
> > diemix 0.5 or 0.2
> > iprcell 45 or undefined
> > tolmxf 5e-4, toldff 5e-5 or lower
> > k-points: Gamma pt, 1/2/4 points in IBZ (1/4 SBZ)
> > The convergence of the SCF part is usually without problem, converging
> > in 10-20 steps.
> >
> > However, the total energy and forces, while initially decreasing,
> > jump to high values after a few steps
> > and oscillate; the atomic positions overshoot, and the system never
> > really seems to be relaxing smoothly - and even after this system has
> returned
> > to the original atomic coordinates the same instability occurs.
> >
> > I noticed that these jumps coincide with the one-dimensional
> electrostatic
> > potential showing a constant gradient in the vacuum (perp to surface),
> not to a
> > constant value. This I recognise as being associated with a macroscopic
> > electric field in the cell appearing due to the periodic boundary
> > conditions, which people have solved with dipole layers in the vacuum.
> > In the absence of such a correction, I would expect to see such a
> constant
> > gradient at all times, even for fixed geometry, but this does not occur.
> >
> > So my questions are:
> > 1) Can Abinit handle polar slabs?
> > 2) Does Abinit have, or plan to, incorporate such a dipole layer in the
> vacuum?
> > (or do I have to tackle it myself...?!)
> > 3) Has anyone managed to converge geometry for polar slabs, without just
> making the slab symmetric? (this would make my slabs too large)
> > 4) Has anyone any further suggestions or tricks for converging such
> > structures,
> > other than whats in the FAQ, etc.? Am I simply missing something?
> > It was suggested to me that it might be a problem with the pseudo...
> > 5) Where does the "sensitivity to the vacuum thickness" come from?
> > Would a molecular dynamics calculation help?
> >
> > Any comments, criticisms or full solutions (!) are most welcome.
> > All the best,
> > Conor
> >
> > ---
> > Dr. Conor Hogan
> > Dipartimento di Fisica
> > Universita' di Roma "Tor Vergata"
> > Tel: +39 06 72594548
> > Fax: +39 06 2023507
> >
> > What is it that makes a complete stranger dive into an icy river to save
> a
> > solid gold baby? Maybe we'll never know. - Jack Handey
> >
> > To me, it's always a good idea to always carry two sacks of something
> when
> > you walk around. That way, if anybody says, "Hey, can you give me a
> > hand?," you can say, "Sorry, got these sacks." - Jack Handey
>
> --
>
> Fabio Finocchi
>
> Groupe de Physique des Solides (UMR CNRS 7588)
> Campus de Boucicaut, 140 rue de Lourmel, 75015 Paris (France)
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- Re: [abinit-forum] Polar slabs and geometry optimization, Fabio Finocchi, 05/27/2004
- RE: [abinit-forum] Polar slabs and geometry optimization, Alexander Bagatur'yants, 05/28/2004
- Re: [abinit-forum] Polar slabs and geometry optimization, Aloysius Soon Sze Lok, 05/29/2004
- Netiquette (Re: [abinit-forum] Polar slabs and geometry optimization), Masayoshi Mikami, 05/29/2004
- Re: [abinit-forum] Polar slabs and geometry optimization, Aloysius Soon Sze Lok, 05/29/2004
- Re: [abinit-forum] Polar slabs and geometry optimization, Nicola Seriani, 05/28/2004
- Re: [abinit-forum] Polar slabs and geometry optimization, Vincenzo Fiorentini, 05/28/2004
- Re: [abinit-forum] Polar slabs and geometry optimization, Vincenzo Fiorentini, 05/28/2004
- RE: [abinit-forum] Polar slabs and geometry optimization, Alexander Bagatur'yants, 05/28/2004
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