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- From: mjv500@york.ac.uk
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- Subject: Re: [abinit-forum] Question about plus-minus sign of electron-phonon coupling matrix elements calculated by ABINIT
- Date: 30 Jun 2008 08:56:34 +0100
Hello again,
ok here we go: what you read from the gkk file is what abinit calculates raw, which is "gkk" matrix elements, but not for responses not to phonon modes but to single perturbations of 1 atom in 1 direction. The hand waving argument is that if you start from an equilibrium structure, the deformation potential you are sandwiching to get gkk should be somehow positive as you should be increasing the energy. I don't have an article for you - that would contradict the meaning of hand waving. However,
(1) In your case I'm still not sure that the structure is mechanically stable (not just wrt to phonons but wrt strains as well)
(2) what you are examining in the gkk file are full matrices btw all bands in the simulation. Even if my hand waving convinces you that the operator should be positive, that has no bearing on it's matrix elements in a random basis.
(3) I'm still not convinced of my hand waving because in the definition of the gkk there is a scalar product with the phonon displacement vector d. In many systems (and at least in the harmonic approximation) d and -d are both valid displacement vectors, and this makes the sign of d's scalar product with the raw gkk part have an arbitrary sign (the atomic perturbations I described above are a specific non-diagonal choice of basis vectors for the displacements). Even worse, if you have degenerate modes then you can make any rotation of the phonon eigenvectors corresponding to those modes and still get the same ep coupling.
anyhow, I wouldn't worry about the sign and instead look at the derived physical quantities you are interested in.
good luck
Matthieu
On Jun 29 2008, [GB2312] ÕÅs wrote:
Dear Matthieu:
Thank you for your kindly reply. My gkk element value are read directly from gkk file, which are extracted from 1WF files with mrggkk code. So the gkk elements I mentioned are directly from abinis.
So you mean that the |gkk|^2 is physical meaningful. I see. I'll read paper
you mentioned, And can you show me some paper that can prove the gkk should
be positive in stable systems? Thanks
Regards
Zhang Ting
Peking Univ
June 30th, 2008
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